Comments for Tomi Dufva http://tomidufva.com artists, art teacher, programmer Fri, 14 Oct 2011 18:17:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 Comment on Some thoughts on language and painting by tomidufva http://tomidufva.com/blog/some-thoughts-on-language-and-painting/#comment-144 tomidufva Fri, 14 Oct 2011 18:17:11 +0000 http://tomidufva.com/?p=158#comment-144 Hi Katherine, So glad and flattered that you liked my post. And also that you took time to write me. Thanks! When I was writing that post I was studying for my MA-degree. I actually developed the text further to be my theory part of my graduation along with my installation "The big wheel" (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tomidufva/5209757510/) If you want you can download the text as pdf from here. http://tomidufva.com/PaintingAsLanguage.pdf I want to believe that just like languages, paintings have some common ground, universal grammar. It is said that in spoken language words only mean about 5%, All the rest comes fro "invisible" communication. And that communication is approximately same in every culture (there is exceptions of course.) Maybe there can be something similar but more vague with visual arts? Also part of why visual arts are so important is that it can say what can not be said in words. Anyway thanks for your interest! Hi Katherine,

So glad and flattered that you liked my post. And also that you took time to write me. Thanks!

When I was writing that post I was studying for my MA-degree. I actually developed the text further to be my theory part of my graduation along with my installation “The big wheel” (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tomidufva/5209757510/) If you want you can download the text as pdf from here. http://tomidufva.com/PaintingAsLanguage.pdf

I want to believe that just like languages, paintings have some common ground, universal grammar. It is said that in spoken language words only mean about 5%, All the rest comes fro “invisible” communication. And that communication is approximately same in every culture (there is exceptions of course.) Maybe there can be something similar but more vague with visual arts?

Also part of why visual arts are so important is that it can say what can not be said in words.

Anyway thanks for your interest!

]]> Comment on Some thoughts on language and painting by Katherine Block http://tomidufva.com/blog/some-thoughts-on-language-and-painting/#comment-143 Katherine Block Fri, 14 Oct 2011 15:32:21 +0000 http://tomidufva.com/?p=158#comment-143 Dear Mr. Dufva, I am a painter and I decided to audit a art theory class. We recently discussed Wittgenstein and I found your essay very informative as a culminating compliment to the discussions in class. Thank you. I think painting has a language. I look at my work and I understand my language, and then the problem to solve is how to communicate my language to the viewer. In that sense, I am reminded of the Empire of Signs, by Barthes. The language was not common between Barthes and the Japenese, but it existed in an abstract manner. It seems there might be as many different languages as there are painters. Just as there are as many different languages as there are cultures. However, I believe there is a way to access communication between the viewer and the painting. It is a continuing struggle. Anyway, I enjoyed your essay. Thank you for the clairity. Sincerely, Katherine Dear Mr. Dufva,

I am a painter and I decided to audit a art theory class. We recently discussed Wittgenstein and I found your essay very informative as a culminating compliment to the discussions in class. Thank you.

I think painting has a language. I look at my work and I understand my language, and then the problem to solve is how to communicate my language to the viewer. In that sense, I am reminded of the Empire of Signs, by Barthes. The language was not common between Barthes and the Japenese, but it existed in an abstract manner.
It seems there might be as many different languages as there are painters. Just as there are as many different languages as there are cultures. However, I believe there is a way to access communication between the viewer and the painting. It is a continuing struggle.

Anyway, I enjoyed your essay. Thank you for the clairity.

Sincerely,

Katherine

]]> Comment on Artificial digital art vs. real digital art by Aura of digital art | Tomi Dufva Portfolio | Artist Portfolio http://tomidufva.com/blog/artificial-digital-art-vs-real-digital-art/#comment-31 Aura of digital art | Tomi Dufva Portfolio | Artist Portfolio Tue, 01 Mar 2011 19:36:20 +0000 http://tomidufva.com/?p=343#comment-31 [...] of digital art Continuing my quest on digital art, which I started on my previous post, I started thinking about the aura of digital art as I was reading Rushkoff’s “Program [...] [...] of digital art Continuing my quest on digital art, which I started on my previous post, I started thinking about the aura of digital art as I was reading Rushkoff’s “Program [...]

]]> Comment on World as it is by Maija http://tomidufva.com/blog/world-as-it-is/#comment-8 Maija Tue, 08 Nov 2005 15:58:00 +0000 http://tomidufva.com/?p=155#comment-8 Horra-shaw. Horra-shaw.

]]> Comment on World as it is by Tomi Dufva http://tomidufva.com/blog/world-as-it-is/#comment-7 Tomi Dufva Fri, 04 Nov 2005 12:10:00 +0000 http://tomidufva.com/?p=155#comment-7 just a typo correction: that there is huge <b>hole</b> in the lower parts of the construct. just a typo correction: that there is huge hole in the lower parts of the construct.

]]> Comment on World as it is by Tomi Dufva http://tomidufva.com/blog/world-as-it-is/#comment-6 Tomi Dufva Fri, 04 Nov 2005 12:02:00 +0000 http://tomidufva.com/?p=155#comment-6 Heissan Maija!<br/>What I mean here with "objective truth" is a kind of construct of western civilization, A paradigmatic process where we build up a construct without realising (or refusing to see) that there is huge holu in the lower parts of the construct.<br/><br/>So I do not refer to that belief of objectivity which is vital for us to keep our sanity, I am referring to this artificial truth of our own age, the truths of our western civilization. And from these truths (Truth meaning commonly agreed terms what is accepted and what is not, what is worth pursuing for and what is not) this fake individuality, trying to be someone is born.<br/><br/>I have to visit your blog also!<br/><br/>Ha det bra! Heissan Maija!
What I mean here with “objective truth” is a kind of construct of western civilization, A paradigmatic process where we build up a construct without realising (or refusing to see) that there is huge holu in the lower parts of the construct.

So I do not refer to that belief of objectivity which is vital for us to keep our sanity, I am referring to this artificial truth of our own age, the truths of our western civilization. And from these truths (Truth meaning commonly agreed terms what is accepted and what is not, what is worth pursuing for and what is not) this fake individuality, trying to be someone is born.

I have to visit your blog also!

Ha det bra!

]]> Comment on World as it is by Maija http://tomidufva.com/blog/world-as-it-is/#comment-5 Maija Thu, 03 Nov 2005 16:25:00 +0000 http://tomidufva.com/?p=155#comment-5 Hellurei!<br/>A short comment...<br/>Tomi wrote: "Individuality whish is born out of the collective objective truth, not out of our subjective experience."<br/><br/>I agree that individuality is not born out of a real and true subjective experience. It might be born out of so-called subjectivity, placebo experience, which everyone thinks is unique but actually is a result of a kind of mass production.<br/><br/>But I don't see how it is born out of collective objective truth? For me, objective truth is something to cling to in the middle of chaos. The fact that we can discuss. <br/><br/>I continue to think about this i hope. (I'm too busy to write my own blog, but I will come here every now and then) <br/>Have a nice time in Bergen and look at the mountains! Hellurei!
A short comment…
Tomi wrote: “Individuality whish is born out of the collective objective truth, not out of our subjective experience.”

I agree that individuality is not born out of a real and true subjective experience. It might be born out of so-called subjectivity, placebo experience, which everyone thinks is unique but actually is a result of a kind of mass production.

But I don’t see how it is born out of collective objective truth? For me, objective truth is something to cling to in the middle of chaos. The fact that we can discuss.

I continue to think about this i hope. (I’m too busy to write my own blog, but I will come here every now and then)
Have a nice time in Bergen and look at the mountains!

]]> Comment on Three tre kolme by Katri http://tomidufva.com/blog/three-tre-kolme/#comment-4 Katri Sun, 16 Oct 2005 10:22:00 +0000 http://tomidufva.com/?p=153#comment-4 ps. I hope you notice that I answeres to the previous discusion.... ps. I hope you notice that I answeres to the previous discusion….

]]> Comment on Second by Katri http://tomidufva.com/blog/second/#comment-3 Katri Sun, 16 Oct 2005 10:18:00 +0000 http://tomidufva.com/?p=152#comment-3 Wow! Hello Pessi anfd Tomi! First thank you Tomi spending your time putting up this blog. It´s an excelent idea, and gives joy. Perhaps that´s why you did it.<br/><br/>Pessi; I liked your compair between agriculture and art in Finland.<br/><br/>I recognise the feeling one sometimes gets after putting up an exhibition. For me it is not only related to spending all my little money in it, put to the idea that why should that be the way to communicate with art.<br/>( I couldn´t make it to your opening, but visited there one day after it - it was one of the energetig ones I saw that day in Tampere.)<br/>I`ve started to reed Like´s published book about International Situationists. IS has always been so exciting for me. It is connected to the idea of fading the border between art and life. (I have had and still do have difficulties of using the word ART...Should I invent another word for what I do and want to do?) In the first pages there were written; " We should not change the way people see pictures, but the way they see streets".<br/>Rain or broken overdrived tomato on asfalt can be so much stronger than paintings on the walls. Jari Jula answered to my essay on second year in AMK, that;" You should remember, that only thing rain can do is to make you wet. You make the rain touching." So can it be really compaired? Picture made by human carring perhaps a meaning/message and natures´ powers?<br/>.................................. Wow! Hello Pessi anfd Tomi! First thank you Tomi spending your time putting up this blog. It´s an excelent idea, and gives joy. Perhaps that´s why you did it.

Pessi; I liked your compair between agriculture and art in Finland.

I recognise the feeling one sometimes gets after putting up an exhibition. For me it is not only related to spending all my little money in it, put to the idea that why should that be the way to communicate with art.
( I couldn´t make it to your opening, but visited there one day after it – it was one of the energetig ones I saw that day in Tampere.)
I`ve started to reed Like´s published book about International Situationists. IS has always been so exciting for me. It is connected to the idea of fading the border between art and life. (I have had and still do have difficulties of using the word ART…Should I invent another word for what I do and want to do?) In the first pages there were written; ” We should not change the way people see pictures, but the way they see streets”.
Rain or broken overdrived tomato on asfalt can be so much stronger than paintings on the walls. Jari Jula answered to my essay on second year in AMK, that;” You should remember, that only thing rain can do is to make you wet. You make the rain touching.” So can it be really compaired? Picture made by human carring perhaps a meaning/message and natures´ powers?
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]]> Comment on Second by Pessi http://tomidufva.com/blog/second/#comment-2 Pessi Fri, 14 Oct 2005 23:35:00 +0000 http://tomidufva.com/?p=152#comment-2 Terve vaa juu - - - <br/>How nice to write in English - I don't need to insert a & o umlauts via character map or 'special characters'. /// Yes, art-as-a-job isn't really happening, at least not in Finland, eh? I wish to have artistry as my JOB, not as a hobby. If art really was integrated to the society, it would be a profession instead of a subsidized activity. Farming in Finland is somewhat similar: without EU subsidies, no one would be a professional farmer in Finland.<br/> Maybe this started way back with the Enlightenment, and the 'disciplinarizing' of the arts (G.E. Lessing: Laocoon, about 1766). Since then, arts have resided in more or less separate camps.<br/> Interdisciplinary art doesn't segregate, or close itself in an ivory tower, it can be integrated into everything else: look at almost any old or even indigenous culture and you'll find things that point to this: First Nations of Canada, Gamelan of Bali or Java, flamenco, african music/dance; all consisting of a multitude of parts, each autonomous, yet inseparable from the whole. Terve vaa juu – - –
How nice to write in English – I don’t need to insert a & o umlauts via character map or ‘special characters’. /// Yes, art-as-a-job isn’t really happening, at least not in Finland, eh? I wish to have artistry as my JOB, not as a hobby. If art really was integrated to the society, it would be a profession instead of a subsidized activity. Farming in Finland is somewhat similar: without EU subsidies, no one would be a professional farmer in Finland.
Maybe this started way back with the Enlightenment, and the ‘disciplinarizing’ of the arts (G.E. Lessing: Laocoon, about 1766). Since then, arts have resided in more or less separate camps.
Interdisciplinary art doesn’t segregate, or close itself in an ivory tower, it can be integrated into everything else: look at almost any old or even indigenous culture and you’ll find things that point to this: First Nations of Canada, Gamelan of Bali or Java, flamenco, african music/dance; all consisting of a multitude of parts, each autonomous, yet inseparable from the whole.

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